But in some very specific cases, it may be. The shooting world should stop and think about the end use of the gun, not how much raw power it produces. The BDA is a double-stack.
It is, as you might expect, fairly large and heavy for a. For her, being able to deliver all 13 rounds on target in a very short time frame which she could do was a significant advantage over delivering only a few 9mm rounds.
My mistake was not recognizing that. Thankfully, I failed to get her to change. She knew her needs better than I did, and if we were to have that discussion today, I would simply help her become as competent with her gun as I possibly could. I understand the issues better and have reined in my macho opinions. If I had to choose between a micro 9mm and a.
Yes, it was that bad. Before you sneer at that lowly mousegun, stop and really think about the job it is intended to do. Understand the real task: to get combat-accurate hits, with an effective bullet, on target as fast as you can get them.
Click here to cancel reply. This is exactly why I got a for my daughter and wife to keep in the house. I would imagine both would like to get rid of it. Part Interstate commerce would mean its constitutional. So what? As you point out the insurance would be pretty cheap for any halfway responsible person.
I have seen zero! Which is regrettable for the anti-gun crowd. Why should this be a goal? I think it would dramatically cut into many gun crimes and accidents while at the same time only offering minimal hurdles for a responsible gun hobbyist possibly even removing some hurdles for them.
What kind of drugs are you on? Besides, to match a spent case to a crime, you have to have a spent case to collect. How many revolvers do you know of actually leave behind cases?
Then what? NY tried the same thing, with the same result. It is simply an idea that sounds great but is too easily modified on the weapon with an emory board or nail file. Touch up the firing pin, extractor, ejector and chamber and the signature changes. Plus the wasted time of investigators following false positives on cases that are not from a weapon with a case on file. Is that idiot seriously talking about micro stamping. No, that is a bullshit idea.
One that a local career politician liked. It ended when we used data from NYC who has millions to throw away on crap ideas. No case was ever proven solved by that idea. They were all solved with good old fashioned detective work. Not fancy stupid shit like micro stamping. I have it loaded with the R. This gun is primarily for defense against car hacking or strong arm robbery where I can use it at point blank range.
The Glock is loaded with Hornady Critical Defense ammo for maximum shock value. You only need to think through what use the gun is to be used for, and out the appropriate load in it. This is an excellent article! Has anyone compared the fully transferred kinetic energy of a hollow point to say, a single punch from Ali, Frazier or Tyson?? Not to mention the internal carnage. Yes, training, of course…. All points about controlling the 9mm are well taken and true.
My has only 1 purpose — defense against 1, maybe 2 assailants. I plan to add a lighter Kahr to my collection soon. I bought a Kahr and it jammed consistently. Ended up taking it back for a refund which, of course, caused me to take it in the shorts, in so doing.
No more Kahrs for me. Hi Rahel. They are similar in size and weight. They are both fairly popular guns so you might be able to find a local gunshop that has both in stock for a side by side comparison. Thanks Deryck-PDN. Thomas — I bought a Kahr PM9 a few years ago and it was super unreliable. At least one FTF every magazine even after rounds.
I was ready to sell it when a guy at the local gun store told me to contact Kahr first. Kahr had me send it in, and they basically rebuilt the gun, tested it, and shipped it back on their dime. Next time I went to the range, it worked flawlessly.
They use high-end materials in the P and PM series, so once you get the kinks worked out they just keep working. Hence, you can safely run ammo sold as. I bought my wife a. She wants the. Recipe for disaster. We both have. Sorry, I know this is an old thread…But I carry the Glock 19 concealed all the time…In cold weather, with a jacket, it rides great in a Glaco Miami Classic shoulder harness with 2 reserve clips.
Who cares! Get a life lmao. A magazine is any room, container or area that holds ordinance. The term clip has been used for autos for years and was so in WW2. It was the original term for auto loading pistol mags in Europe, and is still used there. Magazines go in a weapon. Clips are used normally to load top breach rifles with internal magazines.
Weapons This is the difference. Using the correct terminology makes you sound like you are a responsible firearm owner. Using incorrect terminology makes you sound like you have a political axe to grind. Use 4 shot. Run your own tests at the range. Find a different range or perhaps a rural landowner.
I have an extensive essay I prepared as a response to the penetration question of the. Full of Real-World information gathered by myself. Your reading too many gun magazines. You need to load a with FMJ ball, period! You got to get into the vitals so you need ball. You also need that thing not to jam, so you need ball. Hollow points are useless! It is always bullet placement and depth of penetration. Shock has nothing to do with it! I have a Ruger.
Shoots beautifully with little recoil. The recoil jumps out of my hand up in the air. I prefer the. I also have an LCP which I pocket carry when the choice is it or nothing if I am unable to carry a larger weapon.
Need to look at defense rounds that are legal. Depends on where you are, the crazy government in San Francisco forbids hollow points for defense. I use hornady XTP hollow points in my it stopped a full grown boar with three shots when I was walking in the woods. This, my friends, is the best. The XTP bullet will penetrate the 12 — 18 inches required to stop a threat.
Many manufacturers use this bullet and they are all good. They all vastly under preform. Hornady XTP. They average 13 inches of penetration in ballistic gel with two layers of denim, with even expansion round to round. There are many videos on this round that show this. Anyone that is still claiming that. Use Underwood. Second, hollow point ammunition does not cause stoppages, shitty ammunition does. Third, have you heard of temporary and permanent wound cavities?
You are partly right in saying that shock has nothing to do with it, depending on what form of shock you are referring to. Creative spelling and grammar is ok on internet message boards so chill out. You are correct but it should be the right hard ball. Lehigh defense makes a cavitator and a penetrator round even for the.
There are so many statistics that say different. If you are worried about penetration then make your first rnd. Dickson the. I have a Beretta 70S. In two years on the Guantanamo Rifle team, we used en banc bless the French clips to load our match M1s. It was ejected with the firing of the eighth round. Stripper clips are restricted by the design to bolt action rifles.
Chief Boring. You have no idea what you are talking about. Well made. Hollow points can actually reduce penetration in some cases where clothing is a factor. Use Horn dy Crit. Defense rounds that have an FTX tip designed for clothing penetration and that will solve that problem. It was so effective that they have added the FTX to several of their hunting bullets to improve stopping power. So pretty much every scientist? This is an older thread, so these rounds did not exist at the time, but Lehigh Defence Xtreme Penetrator rounds solve this problem.
Underwood puts the lehigh architecture, on steroids, making the cartridge even more lethal, while the cartridge weighs only It is lethal. However, my preferred CC is a very highly customized Glock 26 9mm.
I read that clothing actually does not hinder penetration with hollow points. The clothing fiber actually fills in the hollow point and helps with penetration.
Sure you can hide a Glock The neighbor and I had a few beers after Sauna a couple of summers back. To this day, neither of us can find it. Not really a conceal carry pistol. My brother was issued that as an aviator in the navy. Love it. Try a Sig Sauer. This gun is all metal; no plastic, nothing cheap about this one. They have other variations of the same gun 18 but they weigh This gun is highly accurate, little recoil and can be quickly brought back on target even for women.
I purchased the magazine with the extra round capacity that has a place for your little finger to get a grip. This was all necessary because of my handicap and also I have arthritis in my shooting hand. In the beginning I purchased a single stack Glock 43 9mm. I had it get completely away from me twice.
I practiced and practiced holding it with both hands but my concentration affected my accuracy. I rarely placed a shot on target at 7 yards. I even spent over a hundred dollars to put night sights on the Glock No difference. Next I purchased a Glock After much study and thought common sense I purchased the Sig Sauer P in stainless steel.
Best decision I have ever made. I can place my shots Critical Mass all 8 of them very quickly!!! I use the Sig Sauer Hollow Point bullets. This article is great at explaining what I as a gun store employee have been trying to explain to people for years!!! Get many accurate rounds on target as quickly as possible. I have trained and shot with literally hundreds of handguns, and have found very few that I trust as much as this gun. Have fired thousands of rounds through the 2 that we own, with no jams, failures to feed, stove piping or an other problem.
Very, very little recoil, match grade accuracy and of the highest quality!! On a scale of one to ten, the P rates a !!! Why would you put hollow points in a. Your counsel is wrong on this, if you want penetration, make sure you load at least 95 grain FM. Make sure it is a good manufactured round, because. Good day. Our local PD lost two officers to this mouse gun in a foot chase turned ambush. One head wound and one under the arm bypassing body armor.
Bad day all around. I carry the. Choose defense rounds carefully and shoot them regularly. I prefer Underwood Defender and Penetrator.
I pair it with the 9mm HST ammo that I carry every day. I ordered bought a Kahr for wife. The slide is so stiff, she is not able to rack it. I have since seen many reviews stating the same.
I like it but, try one before you buy it! The lightest recoil is a bonus. Yes, you can carry a Glock 19 concealed. I use a Sneaky Pete holster.
With a side mounted laser, it still fits in the holster. Agree wholeheartedly! They will definitely stop an attacker when I can fire off rounds on target without dealing with heavy recoil from a larger caliber weapon. My Sig I have that for home invasion defense. The is for cc. I think you have to be joking.. I have known some that were just not real sharp. Those folks almost provide a viable argument in favor of gun control! You shot rounds without verifying your target? You are more dangerous than a Democrat with an idea… Please do not move in next to me.
Will, you are right in saying that Democrats with ideas are dangerous. So you mindlessly killed people in another country , just so Dick Cheney and Haliburton could make billion of dollars? You must be a good little Democrate! Never has been an option for enlistment. Now retired. Semper Fi. There is nothing more dangerous than a Democrat with an idea, well, maybe Democrat with more than one idea is more dangerous, that would be about it though. Thank you! This was a good article. My experience…a BIG bore is good for the first shot, recoil and re-targeting are a huge problem with rapid fire.
Most street fire fights will show multiple rounds fired with few if any actual hits. You sir, have made my life worth living. If there really are firearm owners that are that negligent and moronic, I must be doing just fine in this beautiful world!!
Lol I do hope you are joking though…. I would actually recommend a security shotgun. Could be 18 or The thing is, almost no matter how nervous a person is it is Bad idea. My nearest neighbor is several miles away…no concern about overpenetration here.
Ive shot deer at yds with a 20ga. Slug…it went all the way through. It would go all the way through your house unless its brick and into your neighbors. And for home defence, use a legal sawed-off with buckshot, not slugs. Remember when using a shotgun that when at in the house distances, like 20 feet, you need to shoot it like a rifle.
Shot spread is about 3 inches.. That 40 inch spread you think about is at 40 yards. At inside the house distances that 1oz grain load of 6 is going to penetrate anything but good quality body armor, but even with that a hit in the body will make the perp think about looking for an exit.
I just let go with the first then move on to my next one and so on and so on until they are all empty then I just sit back down and finish my beer and watch the end of my show then bed time I worry about the mess in the morning. You people crack me up with all of your talk about little toy guns. I tried carrying my shotgun, but concealing it proved to be impossible, so I went back to my every day carry weapon.
I have. Definitely take care of the threat though…if they can hit him! You have to be proficient with what ever you carry to be able to hit what you are shooting at.
Yes, I carry a Bersa and love it and I can hit anything that I shot at. I also have a Darringer just to have two extra shots if needed, just saying. All valid points, very well made good Sir! This is getting a bit more suitecjbve, but I much prefer the Zune Marketplace. Clicking on one of those will center on that item, and another set of neighbors will come into view, allowing you to navigate around exploring by similar artists, songs, or users.
Speaking of users, the Zune Social is also great fun, letting you find others with shared tastes and becoming friends with them. You then can listen to a playlist created based on an amalgamation of what all your friends are listening to, which is also enjoyable.
Those concerned with privacy will be relieved to know you can prevent the public from seeing your personal listening habits if you so choose. There are thousands of documented cases of less than trained individuals who have, through the use of a handgun, warded of an attacker.
The same techniques that make a. Boonton,Part 1. Many include a target to demonstrate they are accurate. This objection deals with identifying the gun and shooter?
How often is this an issue? The very small elasticity of murder rate to gun ownership indicates to me if I understand what is meant by elasticity that legal gun ownership rates are basically irrelevant to gun crime.
Is this being suggested? Assault weapons are a basically meaningless distinction based on largely cosmetic details attached to a semi-automatic rifle. If the Colorado theater shooter was interested logically in inflicting mayhem a bag of semi-auto 12 gauge shotguns would have been more effective. That weapon semi-auto 12 gauge is the most common advice for your home defense buyer, btw for those who buy guns for that reason.
Would it have prevented the Newtown shooting? Probably not, I have seen zero! I suspect the insurance policies would not cost very much given that most guns almost never end up in crimes or accidents but those who establish a habit of letting their guns get into wrong places the premiums would become steeper which they should given they would be by definition less responsible gun owners.
Do you find it hard to stay on-topic? If you do, you better buy it. Over the past few years the. But how is. Most target ammo for the. It was priced slightly higher than what is available from online retailers, but there are no added shipping fees and you can walk out of the store with it.
MidwayUSA lists just one of their MidwayUSA normally stocks different types of. I found. Better yet, prices have remained relatively the same as they were before the pandemic struck. I suspect the reserves of. Most first time buyers are purchasing 9mms,. That could improve the popularity of the.
MidwayUSA had just one of their The local gun store had one box. My local farm store? You must have JavaScript enabled in your browser to utilize the functionality of this website. There are a whole bunch of myths about. While this seemingly small round is thought of as the bare minimum caliber of defensive pistols, the reality is that it actually has a lot to offer and has gotten a bad rap over the years from the caliber junkies.
Time and again, it's been proven that accuracy matters more than caliber, but apparently you just can't tell some people that. The caliber myth among others are behind some myths about. Thing about stopping power is that there's mostly no such thing, whether it's a. Thing about bullets is the physics behind them is rather basic. The force of the impact is roughly equal to the force of the recoil.
So unless you're going to start carrying an elephant gun as your EDC , then you might as well just forget it. The force of the impact doesn't stop an attacker; shock - meaning psychological shock - or a hit to the brainstem does. Blood loss takes too much time to take effect and the immediate trauma of a gunshot wound doesn't really do it either, unless a person gets shot in the pelvis or kneecap and the skeletal structure is compromised.
Even a. Like any handgun round, what matters is placement and bullet selection. With a quality hollow point and accurate fire, it will save your skin. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You should upgrade or use an alternative browser. Join the 1 community for gun owners of the Northwest We believe the 2nd Amendment is best defended through grass-roots organization, education, and advocacy centered around individual gun owners.
Log In. Free Membership Benefits. Thread Starter Chipperxd Start date Aug 20, Chipperxd Buffalo. Messages Reactions I have never owned a. From what I understand,. So why do.
I mean. Why does it cost so much? Econ Bronze Supporter. Messages 2, Reactions 2, It's not quite so ubiquitous as 9mm. You'll likely find that. Misterbill Yakima County, Washington. Messages 1, Reactions 1, Because there is less demand, hence less economy of scale. Translating this to my own reloading bench: It takes roughly 45 minutes to change out calibers, including dialing in desired powder charges.
I can load about rounds per hour. How anxious am I to reload a caliber I shoot once in a great while vs. Turtle Lake Stevens,Wa. Messages 21 Reactions 3. That was part of the reason I sold my bodyguard.
I liked the gun but not the ammo price. Smaller and lighter than many s and a whole lot more bang for the buck. Click to expand Abiqua Washington. I have thought the exact same thing and I don't know why it is so expensive. When I see the. No matter how effective the little guy might be.
Messages 1, Reactions It is that high because people will pay it. When people stop paying high prices for ammo, the price will come down. Of course, the suppliers that stocked up when prices were high were hurting for a while, when they couldn't move their high priced inventory
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